Labour’s Ambition of Poverty

A tabloid-style pun as a headline. Who says I'm a boring wonk, eh?

Yesterday, Ed Miliband made a very interesting, very ambitious, policy move in his National Policy forum speech on Saturday.

Naturally, nobody really paid much attention to it. Perhaps this is because National Policy Forums posess a catatonic effect on political reporters, which can only be counteracted via a good old fashioned faction fight.

Perhaps it's because when politicians make big, bold declarations of intent, the common reaction now is to check the specificity of the pledge, and file the promise under "windy rhetoric" if it does not come wih a target and a timescale.

Yet as Labour has just finished reviewing the Policy Review (Thankfully, the review of the review is getting rave reviews) it's difficult for us to make policy pledges that run after 2015.

Indeed, beyond the broad principles,(and as I've argued elsewhere, the Fiscal Architecture that will help deliver a sensible, cautious deficit reduction programme) it's probably a bad idea.  We don't know whether the economy will be in recession, whether unemployment will be increasing or decreasing, whether debt interest payments will still be at their current historic lows.

This can be a bit frustrating, I imagine especially so for NPF delegates, who've had more NPF chairs than concrete policy positions to consider.

However, we're now shaping Labour's policy priorities for government. So now is the time to take "Aspirations" as seriously, and to tease out what they might mean in practice.

On this sourt of Agenda-setting, Ed's speech was both ambitious and precise. To take just one example, Ed said: 

"We know what the good economy looks like. I believe nobody who works should be in poverty.

But today in our country we know that millions are." 

This is a pretty clear stateent of direction. A focus on reduction of poverty for all those in work,

I doubt that anyone in the left would dissent from these ambitions. Reducing Poverty is, as Ed, correctly says, a core Labour value.

Yet this straighforward statement of Labour values, that no-one in work should be in poverty, points to the practical challenges the policy review process will face. What would achieving this progressive ambition look like?

To answer that question, lets look at the latest available poverty figures for working age adults.

First of all, we have to decide what we mean by poverty. The current generally accepted definition is 60% of equivalised median income, either before or after housing costs and tax.1 Let's assume that we will stick with that definiton of poverty.

What does that mean in real terms? It means that there are a range of poverty income levels for different family types. I don't have the current figures to hand, but a couple of years ago, this translated to an income, AFTER TAX DEDUCTS AND HOUSING COSTS of "£119 per week for single adult with no dependent children; £206 per week for a couple with no dependent children; £202 per week for a single adult with two dependent children under 14; and £288 per week for a couple with two dependent children under 14".

So, if we were to take a literalist approach to a "No Poverty in Work" policy, we would be arguing that these would effectively become our target minimum income levels, after housing costs and tax. At the very least, we would be looking to move everyone who works closer to these disposable income levels, fairly rapidly. 

This is a significant group of people, looking at the data, you can see that in the words of the ONS "because the majority of working-age adults lived in families where at least one adult was in work in 2010/11, around half of all working-age adults living in low income were living in families where at least one adult was in work. This was true for both relative and absolute low income."

Further, the government says "Despite their lower risk of relative low income, working-age adults in households where at least one adult was in work (including those where all adults were in work)
made up around three fifths of the total number of working-age in relative low income, Before and After Housing Costs. This is because working-age adults in households where at least one adult was in work made up
such a large proportion (around 85 per cent) of the total number of working-age adults."

So to eliminate this altogether would be huge step, effectively halving the numbers in poverty in the UK.

What characteristics do those households in work and low income have compared to the population as a whole?

You can see this in the following chart, where it's clear that of households with someone in work, poverty is far more frequent among those where only one adult is working, where people are self employed, or where one or both adults are working part-time.

A substantial proportion of the "working poor" are classified as self employed, as part time workers, or as being in a household with only one income. So, there is a structural question. When we say, No-one in poverty who works, do we include part time work and self employed work?

If we don't the scale of the challenge is much lesser, but we will leave significant numbers of "workers" still in poverty.  What about families where only one person works? Is our response there to lift their relative incomes, even if this reduces incentives to work, or to encourage greater availiability to work in a jobs market that is already fairly weak? What does these mean, for the choices of working mothers, for example?  Further, lifting some of these these groups out of poverty will likely require direct cash subsidy, and may have distorting effects (Why take a full time job, if you can work "self-employed and/or Part-time then claim significant state income support?)

Second, as well as the structural question of what "being in work" means, there is the issue that poverty rates vary significantly by age, family status and so on.

Take a twenty-two year old man, who has moved out of his family home, is renting a small flat, and has found work as a driver. After Housing costs, he is classed as being in poverty. Is he as much as a public priority for poverty reduction as a thirty-something couple with two children?

Over the last decade, Labour politicians would probably have argued no. The young man's prospects were reasonably good, he had no children, and reducing child poverty was a bigger priority. As a result, the data shows that while poverty among families with children has fallen, a similar reduction has not occurred for single and childless couples (I suspect mostly do to benefits and tax credits, not lower work income). However, if you took a different approach, you could argue that this was an unfair political choice. Why should his poverty be less important than a families?

In practical terms then, linking poverty to work, rather than familiy type and work, would mean a sustained attempt to significantly increase the incomes of single full time workers, those in part time work and those with only one family member in work. 

You might argue for a significant increase in the minimum wage (which would naturally be opposed by many Business owners).

You might argue for something like a "single income supplement" so that a dual-person household with a single iincome recieves specific support from the state.

You might argue for the abolition of the Young Worker rate.

You might create some sort of citizen's minimum working income through state supplement, though practically this might require a significant reduction in Tax Credits available to lower income families. 

Another approach might be to discourage the numbers in these 'working but in poverty' social groups.

You might discourage single men living alone, or favour full time over part-time work via regulation, or encourage two person working households through tax incentives. I mention this, not because I think it'd be a preferred policy route for Labour, but because it would likely be the easiest way of hitting reduction targets, and the distorition effects of Targets can be a real issue. Instead of income being distributed widely through part-time work, which would leave some people in work in poverty, you'd be able to concentrate that income among fewer ful time workers. However, you might then have more people in workless households all together, and you'd lose the benefits some argue are sustained by people maintaining a presence in the job market. In addition, you'd probably end up masculinising the workforce.

But however you cut it, the simple statement that no-one who works should be in poverty carries with it a huge number of policy implications.

If we were to make reducing poverty for all in work our priority, it would likely mean a focus on lifting incomes of the self employed and part time workers, of lifting the incomes of the young, the single and the childless. This can be done directly (by lifting the minimum wage substantially) or indirectly, by (focussing state income support on thee groups).

Doing this might require a lower emphasis on the "working family", who have benefitted from past policy support to get them over the current poverty threshold. It might mean structural change to the Labour market. It might even mean increased unemployment, (or rather, more concentrated employment) as we reduce the numbers in part-time work, casual work and "small" self-employment.

Politics is complicated. Now is the time for ambitions, but it's also the time for carefully examining the consequences of our ambitions, and how delivering our promises will relate to our rhetoric.

 

1 Many on the right object to this definition of relative povery, but lets leave that debate for now.

 

12 Responses to “Labour’s Ambition of Poverty”

  1. Brian Hughes

    Please sir, when can we debate "this definition of relative povery"?

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  2. aragon

    Increased minimum wage and structural changes to the Labour market.

    Politics is Simples!

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    • hopisen

      In a weak Labour market- you'd face significant Business push back to a min wage of c£10/ hr, which is I guess the sort of area you'd need to get close. (£200 a week disposable income after housing cost, for a couple/single parent, assuming some tax credit, benefits and subsidised rent? Yu'd need  c£350 a week work income I guess? I've not done the calc though, happy to be corrected)

      Less pressure in London, I think, and in big orgs, but Small and northern biz wld scream at that. 

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      • aragon

        Living Wage Campaign: London: 8.30 per hour, Regions: 7.20 per hour
         
        Current NMW: 6.08 per hour (6.19 from 1st  October 2012).
         
        An increase of around a fifth (or 20%) outside London.
         
        Average (lowest in the UK)  in Blackpool South would become the minimum.
        Kensington unaffected .
         
        A much broader economic policy to produce jobs and growth and strengthen the labour market would provide the context for the change.
         
         

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        • hopisen

          I'm not an exact expert on Living Wage calulations, but my understanding is that it based on

          a) Calculation of cost of Basket of good/living items

          b) assumes that adults in HH are working fulltime

          c) uses b) to reach an hourly wage to achieve a)

          (see here: http://www.citizensuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/The-Living-Wage-in-the-United-Kingdom-May-2011.pdf though I think the approach in london is different, using median income to increase total)

          As poverty calcs based on median income, and many of those in "working poverty" are not working fulltime, it won't be a simple solution. Would likely work well for single people, or those with adult children in house, but poorly for Parents.

          There's quite a good worked example of this here on p19

          http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/economic_unit/docs/living-wage-2009.pdf

          You can see that the current min wage, supplemented by benefits/tax credits, does a pretty good job of lifting parents in full time work over 60% of median income already.

          However, if only one parent works, or if they work part time, or if they don't have children (so don't get tax credits) the required min wage shoots up to prob c£9-£15 now, (three years later).

          This is before the fact that you'd probably have to rejig tax credits if you did something like this, which might have a big impact on those with children (as current cuts almost certainly are already).

          Increasing the Min Wage would help to reduce poverty, (assuming no major increase in unemployment) as it would represent increase in income. But it's benefits would be unevenly distributed- going more to those in full time work, less to part time workers, less to single mothers,  and more to childless couples.

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          • aragon

            You want me to solve poverty in a single policy, single bound ?
            7.20 (needs updating) comes from minimumincomestandard.org
            i.e. Loughbrough University.
            This excludes housing costs and taxes.
             
            The benefit system exists to address need. The minimum wage addresses some of the in-work poverty groups, and reduces pressure on the benefit system. More jobs will result in less p/t work, better services could also reduce costs of living. Rent controls to address rent inflation etc.
            Once a single (male) wage would support a family including housing !
            We can't address the issue in this comment space.

          • hopisen

            I don't expect anyone to solve poverty (not least because creatin a society with no-one ever below 60% of median income strikes me unrealistic for a few decades yet)

             

            I'm just trying to explain that even an apparently simple move, like a significant increase in NMW raises an awful lot of complexities, and may not even be best way to deliver the stated aim (even if the aim is the right one, which OSS a different question).

             

            My point is mostly that details matter, especially when you don't have a lot of money.

      • Brian Hughes

        Don't you think a rise of 50%+ for the lowest paid, however well-deserved, might have just a teeny-weeny destabilising effect on the rest of the wage market?  "What about my differential" I can hear cried by all those currently on about ten quid an hour for doing jobs deemed to be more onerous or requiring more skills than the sort that command the minimum wage.
         
        And if everyone's pay goes up so does "60% of equivalised median income" so the poor become defined as poor again (which is one of many reasons it's a duff definition).  Politics is so complex…

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        • hopisen

          Agree on the differentials, though at the min wage level I'm not certain they would shift the median wage level up by a huge amount.  Personally suspect bigger impact would be on employment decision.

          (I'd have to check the data to see how much the original NMW intro affected Median income, my guess is not that much).

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          • Brian Hughes

            My "everyone's pay goes up" assumed that the call for differential restoration would suceed (possibly even unto the CEO)…

  3. John McSorley

    hello
     
    Just a question. 'work' is a vague word in this article. Do we mean full time or part time? do we mean public sector, private sector or charity? self employed or piece work?
     
    Somebody above asked to debate 'relative poverty' – i think that there is no fair conclusion on that so i accept almost any definition as long as its defined then using that definition decide if i care.

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    • hopisen

      Well, that's at the heart of the question.

      I suspect most people hearing "No one in Work should be in poverty" would equate that to "No one who works a full time job should be in poverty". But as you say, work is a very complex thing.

      You could argue that it is better for two households to be in relative poverty at 59% of median income but both getting some part time income, than for one to be in full time work at 69% and the other on benefits only at 49%. certainly better fiscally, and likely for the families themselves.  In a recession, these questions are even more important.

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