Join the “No, I didn’t watch it” club

I’m more than a little mystified by the attention given to a pudgy fascist’s invitation to be on a BBC programme. In an amazing turn of events, the double-chinned duce apparently turned out to be a bit of a nob. Who’d have thunk it?

Personally, while not underestimating the sheer nastiness and hatred at the heart of the BNP leadership, I can’t help finding them more than a little comical too. Here’s Nick Griffin trying to be respectable, a man who spent his political development hating jews, blacks and asians, but now has to pretend he’s not opposed to mixed race marriages, not a holocaust denier, nor an associate of bombers and violent thugs (You’d think spending time with people like Tony “the Bomber” LeComber would make you think twice about racial superiority, eh?).

So no, I didn’t watch last night’s programme.

I don’t need a TV programme to tell me that Griffin and the BNP are wrong, or that their vision of a mono-cultural society is an attractive, or even workable one. I get proof of that every time I go to work, get on the bus, go shopping or have a drink. Every day, people of different backgrounds and races are making Britain a better place to live, or just plain old getting on with their lives without hatered or resentment. Poor Old Nick Griffin can’t stop that, no matter how many TV programmes he appears on.

We’re winning. He’s losing. Plus, we’re having a lot more fun. Which is one of the reason’s we’ll win.

15 Responses to “Join the “No, I didn’t watch it” club”

  1. Evan Price

    Hopi, even my wife wanted to watch it – and she’s doesn’t like television programs believing that you get so much more from the radio.

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  2. Charlie

    Having watched last night’s spectacle, I can confirm that no one came out of it particularly well. Slippery and evasive, Jack Straw was almost as bad as Nick Griffin.

    Probably the only people who will take consolation from last night’s performances are Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson; at least there is one politician even less popular than they are.

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  3. newmania

    The BNP are freak show ,certainly, so why is it , do you think , that it takes them to start a serious discussion about immigration on QT?
    The problem is Hopi that while Nick Griffin is unlikely to register much support , he is the only person articulating concerns shared by many people. The same is true of the Green Party , nutty and monomaniacal but many people are sympathetic to parts of what they say.

    I daresay you think such people are ignorant and the hapless dupes of Murdoch (or something ),but many voters wonder why it is , when they make their feelings about Lisbon , immigration and the progressive social policies quite clear, they are ignored in what is ostensibly a representative democracy .
    This is why I think open Primaries would be such a good idea not least for the Labour Party whose elite seem to inhabit a universe many of their voters have never dreamt of visiting .

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    • hopisen

      “do you think , that it takes them to start a serious discussion about immigration on QT”

      See, here was me thinking that the main issue at the 2005 general election was immigration, and that the opposition party went around put up lots of posters about immigration, and that the Prime Minister made a speech in Dover about immigration, al of which generated huge amounts of media coverage on QT and other shows.

      Seriously Newmania, British politics talks about immigration a _lot_. Quite often, (as when the discussion includes a contribution from migrationwatch) that discussion starts from the point of view that immigration is a bad thing, and we should have less of it.

      Now that doesn’t mean politicians always communicate well about it, or say what you want them to say, but the idea it doesn’t get discussed unless some BNP-wallah comes along and starts banging on about some recycled urban legends is just plain wrong. It just doesn’t get discussed with the same nasty racist undertone (well, sometimes it does).

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  4. pregethwr

    I didn’t watch it either, but over 8 million people did, at 11 o clock, on a Thursday.

    Griffin was poor, and was quite effectively sticthed up. But still… wall-to-wall coverage…

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  5. John Nixon

    I always watch Question time and I always listen to Any Questions on Radio 4. However, this time Hopi, I didn’t watch on purpose. You can not legitimise the BNP and give platforms such as the BBC television prime political program to people like Griffin. I officially apply to Join the “No, I didn’t watch it” club. (that includes BBCi too).

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    • Liam Murray

      First – I did watch it and more shortly.

      Second – you’ll just have to take this on faith Hopi but I had half-drafted a spoof post this morning (my title was “anything good on the telly last night?”) on this haughty, policy is all, can’t-we-grow-up demeanour you’re so good at. Any big row or set piece bit of political theatre that comes along you make a virtue of your disdain; kind of like those kids at school who dropped their interest in a band as soon as everyone else caught on. If it allows a quick 50 words for a joke at Cameron’s expenses you might stick your head above the parrapet but keep it short you know, can’t be seen to enjoy the gossip & froth too much otherwise the disdain when it’s Labour-focused looks hypocritical.

      On the show itself I thought it pretty much demolished the ‘no platform’ argument John makes above – for every 2 or 3 idiots perhaps impressed there’d be 10 times that taking the opposite view, some of whom might have voted for them.

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      • hopisen

        Haughty? I did a knob gag, dude!

        I like political theatre – a lot. I just don’t like bad political theatre, and we get a lot of that. But my point about last night wasn’t that is was bad spectacle- I’m sure it was fascinating and as Pregthwr says, 8 million is a lot of people to watch QT .

        My point is that I didn’t watch it because much as he might rant and fume, Griffin is wrong, and losing, has been losing for decades, and his bitterness and anger stems from that fact.

        Griffin might get little coups and tactical successes, like yesterday, but his broader battle is lost, and lost badly. Look at Le Pen – he’a an old school out and out racist and anti-semite, and FN now has to put black people on it’s posters, and the President of france is a part – Jewish. It’s a hilarious combination of defeat and capitulation.

        Griffin spends his time furiously backpedalling over what he said and believed a few years back, because even he knows people would find it unacceptable.

        So why should I bother watching Griffin bluster on in the face of his gradual and impending defeat?

        (there is a strong counter argument to this, which is that the answer is that you need to be equipped to fight against these people, and seeing them in debate helps that, or might spark you into action, or just make you better informed.

        All of which is fair enough, but I personally don’t need to be sparked because I already know my position, already work for it and thus against the BNP. So what would I get out of watching the show, other than a sense of superioirty to the stupid racist?)

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  6. Liam Murray

    I guess you need to be careful with the ‘I don’t need to hear him, I know he’s wrong’ line of thinking. I’m broadly in the same place (as, I suspect, were most of the 8m) but that’s very easily framed by the BNP and their sympathisers as a refusal to engage or even listen – something inimical to democracy itself. It’s not that of course but can very easily be painted as such.

    Consequently, when someone happily takes their ‘facts’ from the BNP website or, at a push, the odd Daily Mail story you can’t – as part of engaging them on the doorstep or whatever – suggest broadening their sources or looking at alternative opinions because you don’t do it yourself (not actually but you get my drift).

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    • hopisen

      I sippose they’re different things. I don’t feel the need to study the arguments of flat earhtist or creatioists either to feel intellectuialy secure that the’yre wrong, and I’m sure they’d try to pull the “you’re refusing to engage in debate”card too. Which in a way, I am, because debating with people who are fust wrong is frutrating and boring in equal measure.

      You’re absolutely right though that as a political approach, that doesn’t work. tedious thouh it is, somebody has to tear apart the nonsense. I think we agree on that.

      It’s just if someone else is doing the heavy lifting, (and I’m grateful to Huhne, Warsi, Straw and Greer for that), I don’t feel the need to watch to remind myself how right I was to begin with!

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  7. Bearded Socialist

    I thought Straw and Warsi had a good debate about immigration, but overall none of them really tackled a big issue, which is that people buy the myth that English people have been made into second-class citizens.
    The BNP thrive on the idea of a conspiracy, that X, Y and Z are conspiring against X, Y, and Z (the indigenous British in this case).
    It’s a shame that immigration is not tackled and then it takes the BNP getting 1 million votes before it enters mainstream debate, and then most of the show is about it.
    Griffin showed himself as a far-right nasty-man who relies on the idea of this conspiracy, but the issues which force people into his grubby paws were not properly addressed. Straw tried, and I thought did pretty well all night, but didn’t make the case forcefully enough. People need to know that it’s ok to feel proud to be British without being labelled racist, which is something the Tories have traditionally done far better than Labour. Due, I think, to our more bleeding heart liberal wing (including me to some extent).
    Griffin’s a right winger, so I don’t like him. But if enough people shun pride in their origins (e.g. being British), there is a vacuum created into which the likes of Griffin step.

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  8. newmania

    It just doesn’t get discussed with the same nasty racist undertone (well, sometimes it does).

    Had you watched the programme you would have seen how the whole subject was treated quite differently in amongst the howling . Straw was on the defensive and in a sickening demonstration of everything I detest about the Liberal Party Chris Huhne positioned himself as against the floods of East Europeans.

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  9. Quietzapple

    I didn’t watch it either, rarely do.

    Note how the Dully Tele, whose poll BBC Breakfast tells us shows the BNP at 4%, while they got 6% in the Euros, bigs up the claim that 20% of those polled would consider voting for the BNP.

    And their craven familiars at the BBC repeat the expat tax exile Barclays’ Headline, much as the Guardinid does . .

    Hardly any need for the Billionaires to buy any more newspapers/Tv stations is there?

    Funny how the UKIP successes in the Euros – likewise a protest vote – were not quite so highlit – eh? And they got More votes than the Tories in some UK parliamentary constituencies as you may infer from this:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/table/2009/jun/09/european-elections-elections-2009

    BUT UKIP are perceived as a threat to the Tory vote, the BNP to Labour.

    The Tory all female shortlisting cunningly hid the fact that the shortlists will be produced at Tory HQ by Ashcroft’s minions next year too . . . Some poll showed 80% of Tories object to this centralisation, without the question pointing out who is i/c elections for the Tories.

    The people with No Voice are ordinary Tory voters whose party was sold a while back. Ripe for plucking.

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  10. Adrian P

    The Trouble with that episode of Question time is that like them or loathe them, the British people do not like to see people treated unfairly.

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